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	<title>Comments on: Fusion Investing Portfolio Buys Biota</title>
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		<title>By: Dean Morel</title>
		<link>http://www.fusioninvesting.com/2009/07/fusion-investing-fund-buys-biota/comment-page-1/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Morel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;does the market eventually catches up to an ‘intrinsic’ valuation of the company more often than not?&lt;/em&gt; The price moves around peoples view of the intrinsic value, above, below and occasionally at. Invariably a company will be at intrinsic value at some point in the future, the danger is the intrinsic value may haven fallen to intersect the price. 

I haven&#039;t sold any Biota. Below IV, cash cow, plus multiple near term catalysts. Do you have a better investment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>does the market eventually catches up to an ‘intrinsic’ valuation of the company more often than not?</em> The price moves around peoples view of the intrinsic value, above, below and occasionally at. Invariably a company will be at intrinsic value at some point in the future, the danger is the intrinsic value may haven fallen to intersect the price. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t sold any Biota. Below IV, cash cow, plus multiple near term catalysts. Do you have a better investment?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

Thanks for the comments. What your measure of conservatism and my earlier blue sky analysis valuing Biota at A$2.59 a share imply is that the Friday close of $2.56 nearly fully values the company.

(i) Have you sold down at least half your inital position?  I entered at A$1.90 and have now sold my entire position at A$2.50.

(ii) In your long years of investing do you tend to find that the market eventually catches up to an &#039;intrinsic&#039; valuation of the company more often than not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments. What your measure of conservatism and my earlier blue sky analysis valuing Biota at A$2.59 a share imply is that the Friday close of $2.56 nearly fully values the company.</p>
<p>(i) Have you sold down at least half your inital position?  I entered at A$1.90 and have now sold my entire position at A$2.50.</p>
<p>(ii) In your long years of investing do you tend to find that the market eventually catches up to an &#8216;intrinsic&#8217; valuation of the company more often than not?</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Morel</title>
		<link>http://www.fusioninvesting.com/2009/07/fusion-investing-fund-buys-biota/comment-page-1/#comment-1038</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Morel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex
For someone new to investing, you&#039;re clearly a fast learner and it&#039;s good to see you working through the numbers. There are a couple small, but important mistakes in your calculations.
&lt;strong&gt;1. Avoid assumptions. &lt;/strong&gt; You&#039;ve assumed 15M courses for the $8.9M courses. GSK weren&#039;t yet up to the 60M annual production. Biota get 7% of royalties on worldwide sales and 10% on Australian. GSK sell a course of Relenza for around A$25, so Biota get around $1.75 a course. So for CY 2010 Biota could get  $333M in royalties (190M*$1.75).
&lt;strong&gt;2. Be conservative. &lt;/strong&gt;While GSK has said they&#039;re going to increase production to 190M and it looks likely they will do that next year, you should be conservative with your estimates. i.e. they&#039;re unlikely to do 190M every years until 2014. 

I continue to see Biota as one of the best investments around, but as I always say this is for entertainment purposes only and you&#039;d be crazy to act on anything some guy on the internet says!

The other side is to look at the downside. While most people enjoy thinking about possible gains, it is possible losses you should be most concerned about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex<br />
For someone new to investing, you&#8217;re clearly a fast learner and it&#8217;s good to see you working through the numbers. There are a couple small, but important mistakes in your calculations.<br />
<strong>1. Avoid assumptions. </strong> You&#8217;ve assumed 15M courses for the $8.9M courses. GSK weren&#8217;t yet up to the 60M annual production. Biota get 7% of royalties on worldwide sales and 10% on Australian. GSK sell a course of Relenza for around A$25, so Biota get around $1.75 a course. So for CY 2010 Biota could get  $333M in royalties (190M*$1.75).<br />
<strong>2. Be conservative. </strong>While GSK has said they&#8217;re going to increase production to 190M and it looks likely they will do that next year, you should be conservative with your estimates. i.e. they&#8217;re unlikely to do 190M every years until 2014. </p>
<p>I continue to see Biota as one of the best investments around, but as I always say this is for entertainment purposes only and you&#8217;d be crazy to act on anything some guy on the internet says!</p>
<p>The other side is to look at the downside. While most people enjoy thinking about possible gains, it is possible losses you should be most concerned about.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.fusioninvesting.com/2009/07/fusion-investing-fund-buys-biota/comment-page-1/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 Jul 2009

New to all of this and enjoying the learning process.  Does this make sense?

The thinking:

BTA got A$8.9m in royalties for Q2 from GSK under the current production target of 60m courses per year.

GSK announced it is to increase production to 190m courses by year end (i.e. 3x increase) so A$26.7m per Q in royalties.

Patent coverage lasts till 2014.

Assume you only get royalty payments at the end of the year:

			2010	2011	2012	2013	2014
Courses cumulative	380	570	760	950	1,140
Royalties		160.2	106.8	106.8	106.8	106.8
Discount rate		13%	13%	13%	13%	13%
Years from today	         1.5	2.5	3.5	4.5	5.5
Present value		133.4	78.7	69.6	61.6	54.5

Net present value of royalty stream = A$397.8m (A$2.59 per share)

Market cap today = A$333m (A$1.91 per share).  No debt.  Cash A$55m (sensible burn rate, enough to run).  Enterprise value = A$285.

The market is ignoring 2013 and 2014, factoring that generics will come online, 760m courses will cover 12% of the world human population  etc.

With a few other developments well advanced in the pipeline.  Does BTA still look worth a roll of the dice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30 Jul 2009</p>
<p>New to all of this and enjoying the learning process.  Does this make sense?</p>
<p>The thinking:</p>
<p>BTA got A$8.9m in royalties for Q2 from GSK under the current production target of 60m courses per year.</p>
<p>GSK announced it is to increase production to 190m courses by year end (i.e. 3x increase) so A$26.7m per Q in royalties.</p>
<p>Patent coverage lasts till 2014.</p>
<p>Assume you only get royalty payments at the end of the year:</p>
<p>			2010	2011	2012	2013	2014<br />
Courses cumulative	380	570	760	950	1,140<br />
Royalties		160.2	106.8	106.8	106.8	106.8<br />
Discount rate		13%	13%	13%	13%	13%<br />
Years from today	         1.5	2.5	3.5	4.5	5.5<br />
Present value		133.4	78.7	69.6	61.6	54.5</p>
<p>Net present value of royalty stream = A$397.8m (A$2.59 per share)</p>
<p>Market cap today = A$333m (A$1.91 per share).  No debt.  Cash A$55m (sensible burn rate, enough to run).  Enterprise value = A$285.</p>
<p>The market is ignoring 2013 and 2014, factoring that generics will come online, 760m courses will cover 12% of the world human population  etc.</p>
<p>With a few other developments well advanced in the pipeline.  Does BTA still look worth a roll of the dice?</p>
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		<title>By: PazzoMundo</title>
		<link>http://www.fusioninvesting.com/2009/07/fusion-investing-fund-buys-biota/comment-page-1/#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>PazzoMundo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

Maybe I&#039;m a nervous nelly...I exited BTA today.  While their cash asset backing must be creeping up towards $1.00 (?), all this talk about having a vaccine by the middle of next week must ultimately undermine their upside from here.  Having said that - by joining a few dots on their chart I could easily see the price at $2.00...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m a nervous nelly&#8230;I exited BTA today.  While their cash asset backing must be creeping up towards $1.00 (?), all this talk about having a vaccine by the middle of next week must ultimately undermine their upside from here.  Having said that &#8211; by joining a few dots on their chart I could easily see the price at $2.00&#8230;</p>
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